LISTSERVS
 
 
LINKS  TO LISTSERVS 
Whole Systems Systemics/Wisdom Listserv
Organizational Change
Governance
Ecological Listservs
Educational Listservs
Health 
Systems and Human Values Listservs 
Mailing Lists and Newsgroups on Cybernetics and Systems 
Newsgroup: sci.systems
 

 
Whole Systems Systemics / Wisdom Listserv  

Whole Systems Listserv: You subscribe to this list-serve by sending a message to:listserv@netcom.com with the message text: subscribe wholesys-l your  name. The list is for the exploration of whole system principles, particularly in regards to economic, ecological, sociological and metaphysical transformation of our civilization. The intention is to create and discuss a positive vision for the future of planet Earth as a whole system. This is an unmoderated public list. No flaming is  allowed, but frank discussions are welcome. It is pre-supposed that the participants support the general idea of creating a better future and are able to tolerate diverse viewpoints. 

Whole Systems List Serve- Whole systems l  Systemics List Serve: systemics-L@newciv.org 

PRINCIPIA CYBERNETICA WEB - This site lists approx 12 mailing lists related to systemics, cybernetics , whole system change-Some are for professionals working in particular fields of systemics or cybernetics - while a few are accessible to the new systemicist / systems thinker. 

The Wisdom L Listserv: related website: 
http://www.cop.com/info/wisdompg.html 

The WISDOM-L listserve allows Internet participants who are interested in wisdom to communicate, via group e-mail, with others who have subscribed to the list.  To subscribe, send an e-mail message To: wisdom-L-request@rain.org with Subject: subscribe Put nothing in the body of the message. If done correctly, you will receive an automatic e-mail response confirming that you were successful in subscribing. Once subscribed, sending a message to wisdom-l@rain.org results in that same message going to all of the list's subscribers. 

Global Knowledge and Development- Virtual Conference Discussion List: 
http://www.globalknowledge.org:1997/graphics/mailing_list.html 

Global Knowledge 97 is an ongoing global dialogue on how to harness knowledge and information as tools of sustainable and equitable development. Its focal point was an international conference on Knowledge for Development in the Information Age, co-hosted by the World Bank and the Government of Canada in June 1997.... 

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Organizational Change  

Art Kliner's Home Page -lists several lists. 
 

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Governance  

Civic Values: Civic-Values--This list has sustained a powerful conversation on American values and politics among a wide range of people from all parts of the country and beyond. (Includes Canadians as well, which allows for some cross border comparisons of latest policy initiatives and practices)  If you wish to join this list, send a one-line message--subscribe civic-values to: majordomo@civic.net 

If you would like to keep up with the debate on civic-values, but don't want a pile of individual messages every day, you can subscribe to the civic-values-digest. The procedure is the same. Send a one line message--in this case, subscribe civic-values-digest to: majordomo@civic.net 
 

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Ecological Listservs  

A guide to Environmental Resources on the Internet provides numerous listserv in many different interest areas 

Guide to Environmental Resources on the Internet 
http://www.envstudies.brown.edu/eviro/documents/enviroguide.html#ecosystems 

Ecobalance Listserv: To subscribe to the list send a message to liststar@gaia.org with the words "subscribe ecobalance" in the BODY of the message. The subject is ignored. 

Purpose: 
ECOBALANCE is  a discussion group dedicated to the creation and maintenance of self-sufficient, sustainable communities, in which people live in harmony with one another and with nature. 
 
This list serves several purposes. Its primary purpose is to provide a vehicle of communication for persons interested in creating and maintaining self-sufficient, sustainable communities, in which people live in harmony with each other and with nature. A full range of human communities are represented, from the individual household, to a cluster of households (cohousing), to neighborhoods and cities. A number of participants are working to form Ecovillages - newly created communities embodying within them the principles of living in harmony with nature and each other. List participants exchange information on a variety of relevant topics. Some are technical, some are legal and economic, some are social and organizational. Technical topics may include renewable energy, permaculture, water filtration systems, food preservation techniques. Legal topics may include bylaws for newly forming communities, building codes, zoning, and land-use decisions within the jurisdiction in which the community is located. Social and organizational topics may include means for resolving internal disputes, fund raising, formation of community businesses, spirituality and ritual, inclusion of children in community. This list of topics is not meant to be either exhaustive or exclusive; it is meant to allow prospective subscribers to decide if they are in the right place. 
 
List participants also engage in lively debate concerning which activities are harmonious and sustainable, and the practical means for shifting from a culture and economic system most subscribers believe is neither harmonious nor sustainable to one which is. There are many views on these subjects, some quite divergent and contradictory. One of the purposes of the list is to enable participants to process their own thinking on these matters by listening to the critical reactions of other subscribers to their views.  
 
Finally, this list exists in part to contribute to the compilation of archived information on this topic. Archives of list traffic are available at the following Web site: http://csf.Colorado.EDU/perma/sustain/ 

New subscribers are encouraged to browse these archives to get a sense of the discussions and the authors who contribute to them. 
 

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Educational Listservs  

You can learn more about The Change Agency Network and List Serve sponsors by checking either of these websites: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~cll/CAN/frameset.htm 

Subscribe to change-l@ucalgary.ca 

 

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Health  

women'space@yorku 

A list for online women's activists sponsored by Women's space magazine. 
 

 

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Mailing Lists and Newsgroups on Cybernetics and Systems  

PRINCIPIA CYBERNETICA WEB   
* Cybernetics and Systems Theory Mailing Lists and Newsgroups on Cybernetics and Systems 

The following is an (incomplete) list of electronic discussion forums on cybernetics and systems science. Please annotate this page, or send me an email if you want to add a forum, or if you find some information to be out of date. 
For mailing lists, the first address mentioned is the address to which you should send mail if you want it distributed to all subscribers of the mailing list (for "closed" lists, such as PRNCYB-L this is only possible if you’re a subscriber yourself). The subscription address is the one where you should send mail to subscribe, unsubscribe or perform other administrative commands. The maintainer address is the one of the person who is responsible for administering or moderating the list, and where you might send questions if the automatic subscription procedures somehow don't work for you. 

There are  three types of mailing lists 
* The first type is run manually. These are identified by a subscription address that looks like listname-request@somewhere.somedomain. To subscribe to one of these lists send a message to that address with some body text a human being can understand, e.g. "Please subscribe me to .... list. 

    * To subscribe to a majordomo list you'll need to send the line subscribe LISTNAME in the body of message to the subscription address. LISTNAME is normally the first part (before the "@"), of the list address, e.g. CYBSYS-L. 
    * To subscribe to a LISTSERV list you need to send the message SUBSCRIBE LISTNAME Your_First_Name Your_Last_Name in the body to the subscription (LISTSERV) address. Some hosts run a similar piece of software called listproc obeying similar commands
For more details on lists in general: see Directory of Scholarly E-Conferences CYBSYS-L 
List Address: CYBSYS-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU 
Subscription Address: 
LISTSERV@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU  
Maintainer: 
cybsys@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Cliff Joslyn) 
The purposes of the list include: 
    1) facilitating discussion among those working in or just interested in the general fields of Systems and Cybernetics; 
    2) providing a means of communicating to the general research community about the work that Systems Scientists and Cyberneticians do; 
    3) housing a repository of electronic files for general distribution concerning Systems and Cybernetics; and 
    4) providing a central, public directory of working Systems Scientists and Cybernetician
The list is coordinated by members of the Systems Science department of the Watson School at SUNY-Binghamton, and is affiliated with the International Society for the Systems Sciences (ISSS) and the American Society for Cybernetics (ASC). Different levels and kinds of knowledge and experience are represented. 
 
Cybernetics Discussion Group 
List Address: 
cybcom@gwuvm.gwu.edu 
Subscription Address: 
listserv@gwuvm.gwu.edu 
Maintainer: 
jixuanhu@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU (Jixuan Hu) 

CYBCOM stands for the "CYBernetic COMmunications Group" over the Internet. It is based on the George Washington University in Washington, D.C., USA. CYBCOM, was established in Fall 1993. The Center for Social and Organizational Learning at the GWU invited a group of people to form a "steering committee" for the CYBCOM List, to facilitate future discussions. This is an effort to make sure that, whenever one of the committee members is not available for some reason, conversations on the list can still be facilitated and kept going. Currently, Dr. Stuart Umpleby (Director of the Center for Social and Organizational Learning, GWU), Dr. Paul Pangaro (President, PANGARO INC., Boston), Dr. Sanaullah Kirmani (Visiting Professor of Management Science, GWU), and Jixuan-Hu are on the committee. 
 
  

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Systems and Human Values Listservs  

List Address: 
sysval-l@netcom.com 
Subscription Address: 
listserv@netcom.com 
Maintainer: 
martin@netcom.com (Martin L.W. Hall) 

This is a list that tries to investigate and encourage the investigation of Systems science, human values and organizations. In a nutshell, it tries to look at the human side of using systems science. Of the systems oriented lists I had not seen many that addressed the human and organizational issues of using systems science. I named it sysval because I think that the merging of systems and (human) values is of particular importance but I would welcome any issues that are related to systems science, humans and organizations. 

 
Control Systems Group Email List (CSG-L) 
List Address:  
CSG-L@UIUCVMD.bitnet 
Newsgroup Address: 
bit.listserv.csg-l 
Subscription Address: 
LISTSERV@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU 
Maintainer: 
g-cziko@uiuc.edu (Gary A. Cziko) 
Associated server: 
WWW-server, FTP- archive 

CSGnet links together those members and affiliates of the Control Systems Group who have access to electronic mail. The Control Systems Group is a collection of people from many fields, including (so far) biology, economics, education, engineering, ethnology, law, management consulting, medicine, psychology (clinical developmental, experimental physiological, and social), social work, and sociology. Our common interest is exploring control theory as a way to understand behavior. Our shared conviction is that control theory offers not just an improvement of or an extension to mainstream concepts of behavior, but a replacement for them. Our aim is to continue to develop an understanding of the organization of living systems, using control-system models, to explain how behavior is generated and why it occurs. 
 
The basic concept accepted by members of the Control Systems Group is that all organized behavior continuously controls the portion of perceptual experience which can be influenced by the actions of organisms. This is not an article of faith. It follows from a detailed quantitative analysis of behavior, showing that action affects the very perceptions on which action is based. The action might be as simple the tightening of a muscle, and the perception as elementary as the signal generated by a sensory nerve attached to a tendon Or the action might be as complex as formulating sentences, inflections, and expressions used in a conversation, and the perception as rich as judging the effects of one's communication on the attitudes of the listener, even as the words are being spoken. As important function of the Control Systems Group is to provide a support system for people who have become dissatisfied with the quality of explanations in their own fields, and who have come to see control theory as a source of inspiration and a tool for productive and creative work. 
 
 

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 Newsgroup: sci.systems  

Newsgroup Address: 
sci.systems 

Status: Unmoderated. Sci.systems provides a forum for the discussion of the theory and application of systems science. In the broadest sense, systems science is the study of the nature of systems. Such systems can be physical, chemical, biological, sociological, economic, etc. Systems science and system theory can be applied to systems of all types. Systems science as defined here includes mathematical systems analysis, systems engineering, general systems theory, etc. This definition is intentionally vague in order to encourage discussion on all aspects of the study of systems. 

Discussion might include, but is not limited to: 
* An overall discussion of the various aspects of the study of systems. *Discussion of the particular methods for analyzing systems. 
* Application of different methods to particular systems. 

Newsgroup: alt.cyb-sys 
Newsgroup Address: alt.cyb-sys 
  
Autopoiesis  
List Address: 
autopoiesis@think.net 
Subscription Address: 
listserv@think.net 
Maintainer: 
palmer@think.net (Kent Palmer) 
Discussions about autopoiesis 
  
ISSS-L 
List Address: 
isss-l@dhvx20.csudh.edu 
Subscription Address: 
isss-l-Request@dhvx20.csudh.edu 
Maintainer: 
Tom Mandell 
List for people affiliated with the International Society for the Systems Sciences. Closed, unmoderated. 
 
The Observer 
List Address: 
rwhitaker@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil 
Subscription Address: 
rwhitaker@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil 
Maintainer: 
rwhitaker@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil (Randall Whitaker) 
Discussions about autopoiesis, distinction algebras and enactive cognitive science. 
  
Complex Systems Forum 
List Address: 
complex@life.anu.edu.au 
Subscription Address: 
complex-requests@life.anu.edu.au 
Maintainer 
david@rsbs13.anu.edu.au (David Green) 
Associated server: 
Complex Systems Web 

The list's aim is to help researchers interested in complex systems to keep in touch with each other and with current developments in the field. Relevant topics include artificial life, cellular automata, chaos, criticality, fractals, genetic algorithms, learning systems, neural networks, non-linear dynamics, parallel computation, percolation, self-organization, and more. This is an unmoderated list: messages are automatically distributed. 
 

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Arachnet  
List Address: 
arachnet@uottawa.BITNET 
Subscription Address: Not Available 
Maintainer: 
M034050@MARSHALL.MU.WVNET.EDU (Ermel Stepp ) 

Arachnet is concerned with discussion groups, electronic journals, and the humanities, and I would like to infuse metacybernetics and the cybernetic philosophy into emergent e-journals on reflective networking (communication and information retrieval). 

Cybermind 
List Address: 
cybermind@jefferson.village.virginia.edu 
Subscription Address: 
majordomo@jefferson.village.virginia.edu 
Maintainer: 
sondheim@panix.com 

An Electronic Forum For The Discussion Of The Philosophical And Psychological Implications Of Subjectivity In Cyberspace. CYBER-MIND is devoted to an examination of the new subjectivities that have emerged and might yet emerge in this arena. We are interested in particular in the philosophical, psychological/psychoanalytic and social issues engendered, particularly as they concern the user and the social. Some issues that might be relevant: the psychology of intimacy, the role of gender, the phenomenology of the terminal screen, neurosis and paranoia on the Net, the relationship of lag to community and communication, sex/gender/sexual orientation theory and electronic subjectivity, the role of the symbolic or imaginary in computer communication, the implications of symbolic extensions of the human ("external memory", and so forth), fantasy and the hallucinatory aspects of email/USENET groups/MUDs, and the psychoanalysis of lurking. 

Annotations: 
Cybernetics, Comment by Joe Salisbury. 
http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/CSMAIL.html 
 

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